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Discussion: Elemental Hero Prisma vs Y-Dragon Head

Last post 12-02-2008, 12:57 PM by illusion. 10 replies.
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  •  11-19-2008, 4:39 PM 1543793

    Discussion: Elemental Hero Prisma vs Y-Dragon Head

    I have a face-up "Y-Dragon Head" and I Normal Summon "Elemental Hero Prisma" and activate its effect, sending "X-Head Cannon" from my Deck to the Graveyard, revealing "XYZ-Dragon Cannon".  I activate the Union effect of "Y-Dragon Head" and equip it to "Elemental Hero Prisma".

    During the End Phase, will "Y-Dragon Head" be destroyed or will it remain equipped to "Elemental Hero Prisma"?

    Thank you.

  •  11-19-2008, 6:12 PM 1544139 in reply to 1543793

    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    From what I can tell, "Y-Dragon Head" only cares that it's an "X-Head Cannon" when it's activating it's effect to Equip itself. So, "Y-Dragon Head" would remain Equipped to "Elemental Hero Prisma" after his name returns to normal.
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  •  11-19-2008, 6:34 PM 1544214 in reply to 1544139

    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    Actually, thats not entirely correct.

    "Y-Head Cannon" can only be equipped to an "X-Head Cannon". If it is equiped to any other monster, it would be destroyed.

    This is consistant with the following ruling:

    Relinquished FAQ:
    [Re: Collected Power] Monster Cards equipped to "Relinquished" or "Thousand-Eyes Restrict" can be moved to another "Relinquished or "Thousand-Eyes Restrict" but if either of these monsters is already equipped with a Monster Card, the new one is destroyed. If these moved to any other monster, the cards are destroyed.

    Therefore, while you can equip "Y-Head Cannon" to an "Elemental Hero Prisma" or "Phantom of Chaos" while its name is treated as "X-Head Cannon", the moment the name of these monsters reverts to its original name, "Y-Head Cannon" is destroyed, as it is now equipped to an illegal target.

    Hope this helps


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  •  11-19-2008, 7:47 PM 1544307 in reply to 1544214

    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    That is different in this situation though because Relinquished has an effect that allows it to hold monsters, whereas X-Head Cannon does not. In this case, Y-Head Cannon is the card that has the effect of equipping a monster and throughout the entire scenario, it does not change, whereas in the Relinquished scenario, the new monster no longer has the effect of being equipped with a monster.

    Of course, I don't know the answer on top of my head but I'm just saying the situation is different.

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  •  11-19-2008, 9:42 PM 1544382 in reply to 1544307

    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    True, the situation is different - except for the following:

    Y-Dragon Head: Once per turn, during your Main Phase, if you control this card on the field, you can equip it to your "X-Head Cannon" as an Equip Card, OR unequip the Union equipment and Special Summon this card in face-up Attack Position.

    Collected Power FAQ: If multiple Union Monsters are going to be equipped to 1 legal target monster by "Collected Power", you select 1 of them and equip it to the target monster, and the other Union Monster Cards are destroyed.

    Union Monsters must still be equipped to a legal target. If they are equipped to an illegal target, they are destroyed.

    "Elemental Hero Prisma" is a legal target when its name is "X-Head Cannon". The moment its name ceases to be "X-Head Cannon" it becomes an illegal target, and the equipped monster (Y-Head Dragon) is destroyed.


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  •  11-19-2008, 11:54 PM 1544484 in reply to 1544382

    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    Well the ruling I'm giving is not contradicting the 1 Union Monster per Monster ruling and the ruling for "Collected Power" is probably do to the fact that the Union Monster is being re-equipped thus rechecks the validity of it's new target. "Y-Head Dragon" is the one with the effect to equip itself, after it equips at no part of it's effect does it refrence "X-Head Cannon". So, I'm going to stick by my story until the FAQs or Official Judge List say otherwise.
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  •  11-20-2008, 3:34 AM 1544557 in reply to 1544382

    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    Kalani, I'm afraid you're over-extrapolating information from current rulings.  Equip cards only require the correct monster at the time they're equipped.  The only thing about a monster's name being copied concerning equips that I could find is Dark Panther, but that involved it copying a Union monster's effect and equipping it to an appropriate monster.

    Also, if equips worked the way you're saying they do then "Dragonic Attack" would destroy itself upon resolution every time since it can only be equipped to a Warrior monster and Dragonic Attack would make it a Dragon monster.


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  •  11-20-2008, 5:30 AM 1544635 in reply to 1544557

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    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    It's a good question but I think I agree with Link on this one.

    Y-Dragon Head: Once per turn, during your Main Phase, if you control this card on the field, you can equip it to your "X-Head Cannon" as an Equip Card, OR unequip the Union equipment and Special Summon this card in face-up Attack Position.
    It says that you can equip it to X Head Cannon, but it does not use the words "This card can only be equipped to your X - Head Cannon" or anything similar, which leads me to believe that once equipped to a legal target, it doesn't care if the equipped monster continues to be legal in the future, just so long as it is not re-equipped, or moved to a seperate monster.

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  •  11-20-2008, 6:29 PM 1545574 in reply to 1543793

    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    Argh well it seems there are some mixed feelings on this ruling... And i really need a for sure answer for a deck im making its kind of important haha
  •  11-21-2008, 9:59 AM 1545963 in reply to 1545574

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    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    Although I know that you can't make an "official" judgment based off what the video game would allow you to get away with, still, I wonder what would happen if you tried it in one of the video games.
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  •  12-02-2008, 12:57 PM 1561907 in reply to 1545963

    Re: Prisma and Union Monsters

    answer...

    http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/community/forums/thread/1561820.aspx

    http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/community/forums/thread/1560032.aspx


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